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Second Thunderdome

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Con:

 

To evaluate Wayne State's attendance policy, one would have to consider whether it supports the identity of the university as primarily a place of education, whether it respects the rights of students as adults who pay for their education, and whether the policy is clear and easily understood by the student body.

 

Education, not a student's ability (or willingness) to appear in particular locations at particular times, is the primary mission of the university. If a student can show - through their grades and traditional standards of measuring educational impact - that they are learning, then it is pointless to penalize them for attendance.

 

Students are adults and should be treated as such; they also pay to attend a university. Penalizing them for absences infantilizes them and violates their rights as a consumer. (resemblance - like studying, a student should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to attend).

 

The variability among attendance policies causes confusion for students attending courses across many different departments and taught by various instructors.

 

 

 

+ Time management was a good point as well as the different learning styles of students and that students shouldn't fail *just* because of attendance (risk of "smart" student failing for absences).

 

+ / - Good point about how confusing different policies can be but felt that there was a lack of follow-up to other team's time management argument

 

+ Liked the "property" comparison 

 

- Con-tradicted themselves (argued that good grades are important, but didn't acknowledge that many students will in fact do worse - went as far as to suggest that failing students leads to more $ for the university).

 

- Confusing rebuttal of Mississippi state example.

 

Pro:

 

To evaluate Wayne State's attendance policy, one would have to consider how well it respects the rights of individual instrutors and departments, whether physically attending class is an important part of learning, and whether such policies have been proven to contribute to the professionalization of students and prepare them for their future careers.

 

Instructors and departments do, and should have, the right to determine whether physical attendance is a vital part of their educational strategies. Attendance policies are also necessary to carry on such educational endeavors as group discussions and the sharing of viewpoints.

 

Studies have shown that enforcing attendance polices have led to better graduation rates and grades.

 

Teaching students the value of "showing up" and managing their time effectively, is an important skill that will be required of students in their future careers.

 

+ Professionalism a very strong point

 

+ Arguments about motivation, incentive, and different activities that require attendance and that attendance benefits the majority of the class (group discussion)

 

+ Argument about how student attendance leads to better grades was compelling

 

+ More people participating

 

 

+/- Good use of clock management, poor use of time management

 

- Doctor comparison is flawed - doctors get paid for what they do, students pay for what they do

 

- Law enforcement comparison also rather disjointed

 

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